Ti4 -Summary

Ti4 Summary.

Like most people, I am feeling the withdraw symptoms. The tournament lasted two and half weeks. The main event was held at the Seattle pro basketball arena. ESPN wanted to get involved and let us not forget the prize pool was $10.9 million dollars.

Despite the amazing venue and enormous prize pool, the grand final was a disappointment. The most exciting games were played in the group stages. Due to the format of the tournament, all the teams were scared to play their best Dota at the main event. Especially DK.


Best player of the tournament:


Most improved team:


Most disappointing team:

Joint winner Empire and DK

Most surprising:

Newbee winning TI4

Most exciting team:


Most boring team:


 Biggest come back/Throw

DK vs LGD main event (LGD came back from two rax down)

iG vs DK G-league finals

iG fails to deliver in the finals whereas DK stomps iG 3-0 in a convincing manner. The G-league finals is no where near as close as the WPC-ACE or ECL finals. I think the main reason is iG internally already knows that there will be some roster changes, with the biggest rumour of all stating that Hao and Faith are likely to leave iG for the new “Dream Team”. The potential roster will definitely affect iG’s morale in terms of daily scrimming and practising. YYF in fact was streaming on YY rather than practising during the past few days. Even Iceiceice himself said during an interview that there will be a major reshuffle in the top teams, so teams such as iG, LGD and Tonfu have not been scrimming and training regularly.

I believe after the new roster changes the competition will be potentially stronger as these will probably be the final rosters before The Internationals, thus the teams will want to remain stable in order to perfect team executions. Also last minute roster changes is harmful for the team in terms of morale, and Valve may kick you out of the competition…..


P.S I am a big fan of Iceiceice. I am truly happy that he has joined DK. He has been in the Dota pro scene since 2006. Yet since 2006 he has won little tournaments, especially tournaments on a global scale. Iceiceice living in Singapore where the cost of living is really high, him playing Dota professionally without an income, just living off price money is almost impossible, hence he needed as much support as he could get from his family. Now he has joined a team where all four of his team mates share the same dream, they all share the hunger to win competitions. Don’t quote me on the figures, but I have a feeling that Iceiceice has won more prize money with DK during the past few months than his entire Dota career.

MAYBE joining a professional team?


“lots of people have asked me which team I shall be joining, first of all I would like the thank all the people who have been supporting me. Right now I still have not decided on which team I should join, so please stop asking my close friends la. Once I have made my decision, I will make my announcement straight away”
He is again a strong mechanical player. He came second in a Dota1 solo 1v1 champion in beating 430, but lost to CTY in the finals. He is very young in age, just about to finish high school, an apprentice to PIS. No idea how his professional career will turn out, hopefully it wont be like CTY’s where in the end decides to retire from Dota to play LoL……..
His Dotabuff:

Top young potentials


Arteezy also known as the A-god by his fans. A player of impeccable laning abilities. Many would say he is the Mushi of the West. Under solid guidance this kid able to achieve results in Dota 2. Recently, with the support of EE-sama and friends, Speed.int managed to beat Team DK in the finals of MLG.



A player similar to Arteezy in terms of mechanical skills; he has shown this through winning numerous solo 1v1 tournaments in beating top players such as 430, Mushi and Maybe, however he does lack game sense due to lack of experience and good guidance. He reminds me of Mushi 2-3 years back. CTY needs more time to mature. He has not achieved anything major and is currently taking a break from Dota 2. There are also rumours about him leaving Dota 2 for LoL. Only time will tell.

Bone 7:

Bone 7 first struck me with his impressive Clockwerk plays and his innovative item choices. He loves to go BOT first on Batrider. He started the trend with midas Darkseer and Armlet Clock. Bone 7 is a true genius of Dota. He is reinventing the offlane.


Another strong solo 1v1 player from China. He has not joined competitive Dota yet due to strong commitments to school. He is still a pub star at the moment, however through his pub plays, he has a fast reflex and a decent game sense. He is known to be one of Yaphets(PIS) apprentices.


A flashy support player for VG. He his known for his impressive Rubick plays, his positioning is one of his major strength and he always seems to be at the right place at the right times. Despite being a support player, he is also a strong laner as he has won solo 1v1 championships.


A pub star from Europe. His farming speed is amazing, often 1000-2000 more net worth than the opposing carry. His Shadow Fiend is one of the best I have ever seen. A player that has the capability to win a game 1v9. A player that deserves to be signed.

solo MMR rating of 5700+.

He also streams!


Chinese fan’s opinion on ACE and chinese Dota2 (reposted)

Total Defeat at TI 3: Whose Fault Is It? A Discussion of ACE’s Counterproductive Policies

By: 28916724

On August 11, 2013, Chinese Dota experienced its most painful failure ever at The International 3. The five Chinese team have all been eliminated, with the highest placing 4th. Compared to the three top foreign teams, the Chinese teams through this tournament showed many problems: inflexible BP, lack of innovation, lack of players at the highest level, and flaws in team execution. Chinese teams were simply weaker; there is nothing more to say.
But why did Chinese teams, which just last year were at the top of the world, experience such a fiasco in so short a time? We all foresaw that Chinese teams were going to have issues in TI 3, but no one thought we were going to lose this badly. In 2013, there have been few new players, fewer new teams, and next to no tournaments. While Europeans were playing their big local tournaments, our own players were playing pubs and streaming, having had no tournaments for several months. The result was TI 3, where Chinese teams were like a bunch of domesticated zoo tigers facing wolves in the wild.
The culprit behind this crime is ACE. From its February 2012 inception, the goals of ACE were to manage contracts, improve the treatment of professional players, organize the ACE League tournaments, and grade eSports teams/clubs. Look at these benefits one by one. EHOME has already dissolved, so I won’t talk about that issue further. Organizing the ACE League was indeed beneficial, but where is the ACE Dota League today? I only see LoL competitions. The remaining three: “manage contract, improve treatment of professional athletes, and grade eSports teams/clubs” seems OK on the surface, but deep down they were only counterproductive.
“Manage contract, improve treatment of professional athletes, club team grading” These three developments in mature sports leagues (such as football and basketball) are beneficial, but in the current state of Chinese eSports they are not. Economic base should determine superstructure, and presently the Chinese gaming industry economic output is not enough to support ACE’s superstructure.
Trying to force this sort of superstructure on Chinese Dota might result in temporary gains, but in the long term it is counterproductive. For example, with a monthly salary of over 10,000 yuan, a villa-style training base, and a variety of other lucrative treatments, IG and other Chinese teams did well in TI 2. But in just over a year, problems began to appear: an increase in faulty players, a reduction in the amount of eSports clubs, less tournaments, and the end result where Chinese teams were only able to get a 4th place finish at TI 3.
Standardizing player contracts and enforcing them prevents malicious poaching, and is conducive to the stability of eSports clubs. But at the same time, it places great obstacles for new talent. In times before, clubs recruited new players to try out with them at the club’s headquarters. When these tryouts were successful, these players joined. When it did not, at the minimum these players received free room and board. Although this was hard going for the players, it kept the dream of playing pro Dota alive.
But today, for eSports clubs, both recruiting new players and kicking old players requires tremendous capital. Within an immature industry, the result is not the maintenance of stability and the protection of clubs’ rights, but becomes a shackle for team development and necessary player changes. In the turbulent environment of 2011, an Ehome that was poached to death was still able to get 2nd place at TI 1. Yet in the ultra stable environment of 2013, Chinese Dota was only able to get 4th at TI 3. This is no longer stability, it is stagnation.
Improving the treatment of players: to be honest treatment of players is now too high. I’m not saying it’s bad to improve player treatment, but too much improvement becomes abnormal development. Look at the treatment of players a few years ago and you will find a very steep curve. With this level of player treatment, we’re able to maintain already successful clubs. But at the same time, we make it so that new clubs cannot survive. Previously, five students with a few hundred yuan at a crappy PC cafe are able to form a team. But how are they going to do that today when the standards have risen several hundred fold?
Besides, you want to talk about how these well treated pros in China are behaving? Purposefully throwing games, playing mahjong all day, trying to be stylish and fashionable, etc. Without new talent to challenge their positions, do they still even remember the pro Dota dream?
Grading eSports clubs and teams: S-Class teams cannot participate in tournaments below 25,000 yuan. Sponsors don’t have the capital and are not able to sponsor >25,000 yuan tournaments, yet tournaments below 25,000 yuan have no S-Class participation and so generate no publicity. End result: the total amount of tournaments in 2013 was just 5, and on top of that two of them were won by foreign invites. Here’s a list of previous years’ tournaments available to Chinese teams:
2005, Chinese Dota just got started, still no tournaments
2006, 6 Tournaments, OG, U9, RN all sponsor tournaments
2007, 9 Tournaments, including an ACG victory, Chinese Dota takes over Asia
2008, 12 Tournaments, ACG and SMM victories, G-League begins
2009, 13 Tournaments, including a SMM victory, East West rivalry begins
2010, 25 Tournaments, EHOME10 takes over the world
2011, 31 Tournaments, the most turbulent period of Chinese Dota, yet huge amounts of star studded tournaments
2012, 22 Tournaments, IG TI 2 champion, again take over the world
2013 up to July, 5 Tournaments, are you fucking playing with me?
The amount of tournaments in 2013 wasn’t even as great as 2006. Although the average prize money rose a hundred times, a thousand times, the amount of tournaments players are able to participate in is pathetic. If it’s just about the money, then sure, this is great: ten games and you’re set for the year! Don’t play for half a year, and when you do play, earn enough for the rest of the year! But in this sort of environment, what road is there for new players? What road is there for new teams? What road is there for Chinese eSports?
Comparing TI 3 to TI 2, our line ups improved. Yet why did we get so much worse results? Because last year we were being artificially inflated. This year, it looks that our teams are stable, but in fact it’s because we’re unable to absorb the nutrients of the environment, and are thus not only unable to climb higher, but are slowly withering. By contrast, European Dota keeps on growing, and so it’s no wonder that they’re sweeping Seattle.
Now look at the ACE that artificially inflated us in 2012: on the problem of having no new talent, no new teams, and too few tournaments – not a word. Instead, they’re concentrating on LoL tournaments. When Royal Club was disbanded, its manager said: “There is no future in Chinese Dota 2.” This is not the case. Rather, what he needed to add was “There is no future in a Chinese Dota 2 controlled by an ACE controlled by a LoL boss.” In case ACE does not change its policies, then only destruction remains: be it ACE destroying Chinese Dota 2 / Chinese Dota 2 destroying ACE.
To conclude, I want to talk about the cornerstone of Chinese Dota. ACE is not the cornerstone of Chinese Dota. The cornerstone is the amateurs, the pubbers. The fundamental cause behind Europe’s victory over China in Dota is because European amateurs and pubbers were more advanced than Chinese amateurs and pubbers. China’s amateur scene is underdeveloped mainly because of this: 一码难求(Getting a Dota2 beta key is not something easy), Dota 1 players not willing to transfer over, PC cafes being monopolized by LoL, PC requirements for Dota 2 being too high, and Dota 2 server problems. Lastly, I hope everyone supports DOTA2, support Chinese teams and players, to battle again next year.

Personal view on iG’s slump

As we all know iG have been losing on a consistent basis, I can barely remember the last time they managed to beat a team. Their slump have been lasting for longer than a month now. Why are iG playing so bad?


I personally believe their initial slump began when players such as Chuan and YYF spent majority of their time streaming rather than practising or scrimming. Streaming somehow became contagious to all the iG members, soon everyone on the iG team was streaming pub level Dota. From the Dota 2 super league, we saw that their positioning and ability to coordinate as a team has been completely off. I also believe the lack of Dota2 competitions in China have effected all chinese teams greatly. The lack of competitions can be extremely demoralising for professional players as players often lack the motivation to practice.

After finishing watching iG’s recent performances. Their understanding of the current meta game is so out dated, also the team tries to mimic other teams strategies without fulling understanding them. Just from their ban pick stages I can tell that iG are going to lose even before the game starts. I can tell that individually each player is still very highly skilled as they often win their lanes, unfortunately Dota is not just about laning. As soon as the mid game hits iG, iG some how just goes on full retard mode; especially 430. During the mid game, they completely throw away the advantages they achieved during the laning phase. In the Mid game, they take fights when they should be farming, and farm when they should be fighting. Their timing on when to push, farm and gank seems to be totally random. Furthermore their must be something wrong with the team communication during in game plays, as sometimes the team seems very hesitant on their decision making.

If iG want to contest TI3 they’ll have to practice like no tomorrow. They definitely need a better understanding of the current Meta game. Try and invent some of their own strategies that suites their style of play rather than trying to copy other teams strats without fully understanding them…..-_-

Dota music

As a keen Dota 2 player I often watch professional players streams. One day I came across Comewithme’s (CWM) stream. I was not so much impressed by his plays (haha) but more intrigued by his music playlist while he was streaming. The music he streams may not be to everyone’s taste, but most of the songs I heard were really light-hearted and easy to relax too.

Hope you guys enjoy

Link to playlist (HERE)

Link to Stream (Here)

Sad day for Qpad Red Pandas

I guess most of you guys reading this already knows the fact that both Mini and SeleCT have both chosen to leave the team in search of their own destiny. SeleCT retired from Dota 2 for some Starcraft 2 action and Mini is probably looking for a new team to join.

With the team only together for only 2.5 months, two members of the team have already decided to quit. I believe the recent bad performances was definitely a major contributing factor, but not all. Every time I watch Qpad play on stream, I always see people spamming “Qpad disband pls”, “SeleCT noob”, “APM doto” etc….these comments really do not improve the atmosphere for the team as a whole.

Its true, SeleCT  played really really poorly in a couple of games. He is definitely not the most experienced Dota 2 player, but he does have the desire to work hard and improve. Most people just remember his flaws rather than his big plays. Qpad’s slump during the western qualifiers reminds me of  iG in the G1 league. They were definitely not performing to their true potentials. The team coordination was messy, and at times Qpad players almost looked lost wandering around the map neither ganking or farming. They were not sharp with their team executions. Just like iG, the root of these bad performances come from internal problems….

It is especially sad to see Mini leave the team. He was a crucial member of the team as he was the guy who called out instructions. I personally thought Mini was one of the most consistent players on the team. I know that before the Qpad team, Mini and Waga were always together. They were always in the same team. I hope with Mini leaving the team, the friendship between Waga and Mini still remains.

here is a statement from Mini:

“Hey guys and gals! I thought i’d make a little statement here to explain what’s going on with me or even the team. Well I can’t really say anything for what’s going on in the team now, but at the time of my choosing to leave it was pretty rough. I had just moved back home and was able to get some air. We had been bootcamping for 2 months with no strategies or game plans. There was little communication from Sing or Waga and it was just obvious things weren’t going to get better. I made an attempt to lead, but some personalities just cannot be lead, and without open discussion and honesty to oneself and each other about performances, things just couldn’t improve.
Now my perspective could be completely different from the rest on the team, but I wouldn’t really know it because we lacked communication.
For me, I really wanted to succeed. I am realistic though and I know that I am not refined enough to carry a team in leading or perhaps otherwise(haha:P). Near the begining when we were winning, Sing talked a lot and there was great communication from everyone. This was when we were most successful and I was beyond happy to be a part of it. Unfortunately, soon later, communication stopped. The team essentially “failed”. Respect for Select plummeted, and morale was low. If one stops putting in the effort one’s team will fall apart.
There are definitely things I wish I had done differently in the team. For one I wish I had stood up for Select, you were a great player with amazing potential and you knew how to beat the game.
Thank you to all of the people who have supported me and have said I was good and that they are sad to see me go! I will still be around 🙂 I promise! I love dota, I love professional dota, and I couldn’t possibly stay away. Unfortunately, and to much dissappointment, this team isn’t the one for me. 🙂


Good luck Mini.
And also good luck to Select, hope he finds success again in Starcraft.”

I hope they can get their shit sorted out before Dreamhack. I guess right now they need to look for two new players to join the roster.

Best of luck to Mini and SeleCT in the future.

QPAD if you see this please give this player a trial!!! 


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